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After watching the past couple of seasons of NCIS in rapid succession, I had this post forming on Tony's character and his growth, or lack thereof.  I kept debating on whether to actually post it or not, then I saw a couple of spoilers for upcoming episodes In the upcoming episode Knockout (6.18) we're promised more info on Tony's background.  The writers (or producers can't remember which) also promised that we'll get lots of angsty info in the season finale on Tony. I'm personally hoping for some background that shows us why he reverts to the frat boy mentality and womanizer when things get too 'real' or uncomfortable for him.
Anyway, my post is more about Tony as a good agent than it is about other stuff.  Through all the seasons of NCIS we get glimpses of Tony being a really good investigator and having great instincts.  Unfortunately, these moments tend to be eclipsed by his goofing around or his attempts to show off for Gibbs. 

I'm going to lose my Gibbs/DiNozzo slasher card for this, but I think that him being around Gibbs is the problem.  I also think this is somewhat intentional on the writers parts. When we see Tony in charge of a situation (rather than following Gibbs' lead) we get to see his analytical skills and leadership capabilities. 

This is even evidenced in "Bait" when Tony has to take over when Gibbs ends up in the classroom with the kid. We also see it in "In The Zone" when Tony and Nikki (sp?) go to Baghdad.  Once they're in Baghdad, Tony was the epitome of a seasoned investigator.

Back to "Bait" though.  One of the things this episode highlighted for me was Tony's willingness to stand up to Jenny when he professionally disagreed with her.  He stood up to her in a way I don't think we've ever seen him stand up to Gibbs.  I don't think it was out of a lack of respect, but it felt more like him claiming his place as 'Senior Field Agent'.  It demonstrated it clearer than all of the times he's spouted the words to Ziva and McGee.

Question is, why has Tony never been able to stand up to Gibbs the way he stood up to Jenny?  When Gibbs returned to NCIS and essentially brushed Tony back into his place, Tony bowed back into his spot and deferred to Gibbs.  I know that they showed the awkwardness of the transition, but I felt like it was mostly played for laughs.  Though, I found the part of him turning down his own team for the sake of watching out for Gibbs heartbreaking.  Again though, he was able to be honest with Jenny about it.  I think if he'd been dealing with Gibbs in a similar situation he would have just played it off and made a joke.

My fondest desire for this season is that we finally get to really see Tony coming into his own, even when he's around Gibbs.  And that we get to see some honest acknowledgment that he's not just the comic relief.  I think it would be a natural outgrowth of what happened with Jeanne and Jenny.  Situations like that are either going to break someone or make them stronger in the long run.  I'd love to watch the process of the latter with Tony.

Any thoughts or comments from everyone else on this?

on 2009-01-29 07:03 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] tejas.livejournal.com
I'm really sorry we lost Kate. I liked her a great deal more than Ziva. Mostly, though, I liked the way she integrated with the team more than Ziva.

on 2009-01-29 07:07 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] webbgirl.livejournal.com
The more time the passes the more I miss Kate. She bugged me at times because she would give Tony as good as she got, but then she would whine a bit. It was all very sibling rivalry with the two of them.

With Ziva, well I have a whole diatribe on her that I won't go into in this comment. She's just never connected with me and there are some of her actions that make me downright disgusted with her as a character.

on 2009-01-29 07:09 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] tejas.livejournal.com
I'm very disgusted with her character. She *could* have been good, but they can't seem to decide if they're writing a strong, independent woman, or a mooning teenager.

on 2009-01-29 07:15 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] webbgirl.livejournal.com
It's the mooning teenager part that makes me want to punch the TV screen these days with her.

Starting mid-Season 4, then all of Season 5 I just couldn't deal with that. The whole incident of her following Tony into the men's room because he won't 'discuss his feelings' with her and then she demanded that *he* apologize. WTF? Partner or no, it's none of her damn business if he wants to talk to her or not. Plus, I don't remember her being all that chatty after she shot the serial killer.

GAH! She's like a lovesick puppy.

on 2009-01-29 07:19 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] tejas.livejournal.com
YES! That whole apology thing was absurd. I really *really* wish Tony had told her to shove it. And then tossed her out of the men's room. That's unacceptable behavior (both parts of it).

I loved the elevator conversation in Cloak, where she was talking about her "feelings" and he was pissed off and talking about the job. That pretty much sums up what I think of their relationship at this point. She's all lovesick mooning and he's focused on, y'know, *work* and doesn't notice.

on 2009-01-29 07:36 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] captain-tiv.livejournal.com
Kate was more "with the program" than Ziva is.

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