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[webbgirl]

I have a theory about what may happen in a couple of the upcoming episodes based on spoilers that have been floating around. It's just a theory, but since it's based on the spoilers DO NOT CLICK IF YOU'RE AVOIDING THEM! TURN BACK NOW!

So during a run up to the season finale, we're evidently supposed to get quite a bit of TIVA (I think I threw up a little even typing the smooshing) stuff going on. The spoilers have been purposefully vague as to how far it goes, but there is a mention of a triangle with Tony, Ziva and Michael (the guy from Israel). It also says that there's a bunch of angst and that there will be tragedy involved.

Another spoiler indicates that there will be an undercover Mossad agent posing as an arms dealer.

So here's my theory...Michael and Ziva were involved in Israel. She may even be in love with him, but decided to move on since she's been in the U.S. Tony and Ziva get close and either have sex or come close to it. Michael shows up in the picture during the case. Tony ends up shooting him, either by accident or because something goes wrong. This then completely destroys the chances of Tony and Ziva moving on happily ever after as a couple. It also creates tension moving into the next season.

An off-shoot of my theory that is a little more in the 'wishful thinking' category on my part at the moment is that Tony decides to leave the team because of this.

TPTB for the show are completely with enamored with cliff-hangers and love creating that type of drama that carries from one season to the next. I think Tony leaving the team (only temporarily though) is something that they might consider playing with. It would fall in line with some of the threads we've seen happening since Season 4 really.
So? What do ya'll think?

Comments

[donutsweeper.livejournal.com]

This is my reaction *points to icon* because all the Tiva crap just makes me want to curl things at the TV. just HOW tptb think it's a good idea (or why) boggles the mind

[tejas.livejournal.com]

What if Tony shoots *Ziva*, by accident? She's not where she's supposed to be, or there's a ricochet or something. Or, for us H/C Tony-fans, Ziva shoots Tony, again, by accident or to keep him from shooting Michael who, though he may not be an Ari, may not be working in the best interests of the US at that moment.

Whatever they do, I hope they manage to focus on the friends and teammates enough that the rest of us can ignore the stupid UST crap.

Overall, I don't think Deputy Director David would approve of Ziva hooking up long term with a man not of his choosing. I'm not sure Ziva would buck him on it, either. I have a feeling Micheal has been handpicked for the job. For all we know, they're already married. :-)

[gin200168.livejournal.com]

I could see that happening... Not that I would like it, but I could see it.

Friend said that she heard bits about MW doing a pilot. OH PLEASE NO is my reaction-- because I don't think I could watch it anymore if there was no Tony to foil to Gibbs. :-/

[tejas.livejournal.com]

He's done *tons* of pilots, apparently. Maybe she heard about one of the old ones? Though, in the grand scheme of things, the time from filming of the pilot to actual production can run to years, if it's picked up at all, and then there's the fact that it's rare for a show to run more than 7 or 8 years. Hard to tell if NCIS will have what it takes to thrive in multiple shows like CSI does.

I've read where actors will do a pilot that they never expect to make first off for the money, but also because they get seen by, y'know, people who buy pilots. :-) Even if they don't buy that one. Sort of like keeping your resume updated for us mundanes.

[brilliantomega.livejournal.com]

Notes from a tv/film actor's wife-

Wouldn't surprised if he was doing pilots, and its pilot season right now (though there is not much good from the pilot scripts I have). The starting quote for a pilot is 40K, for Weatherly his pay for the pilot would be something like 80-90K. (The quote for a pilot goes up for every time you get picked up for a pilot.) Doing the pilot doesn't lock him into doing the show unless he contracts to, which is not the norm, though could be given his status.

*shrugs*

[tejas.livejournal.com]

Sounds like a smart move for an actor. Thanks for the insight. :-)

[xanthelj.livejournal.com]

Yeah - Tony shooting Michael was what I thought would explain some of the "OMG the tragedy and angst" spoilers Brennan has been putting out. Esp if it followed Tony getting close to Ziva (ick) which wouldn't be remotely believable but TPTB clearly think they have chemistry even if it's invisible to some of the rest of us.

I wish Tony would leave the team but only if he's sure to come back again and only if it makes them realise how much they miss/appreciate him.

BUT - I can't see how Tony and Ziva could work together if he shot her boyfriend. I don't want some big, strained S7 where they have *angst* for an entire season. URGH!

[tejas.livejournal.com]

This is the trouble with the Godawful Abatross of UST. It *never* ends well. It leads characters down paths that have nothing do with what the rest of the show is about *or* with the characters themselves. The characters end up serving two masters and that always ends in tears... generally from the fans.

[xanthelj.livejournal.com]

Yup. You and me both agree on this. Sigh. I like the format of the show as it is - they solve a mystery and in so doing have angst and merry banter. Sometimes one of them gets hurt or too personally involved and the others react, usually sympathetically. I don't need any romance thrown into that mix. I don't need to see their personal lives beyond glimpses of Gibbs's boat and Tim's typewriter and nice little flashes of back story. I don't want any of them to sleep with each other except in my own head. I want lots of subtext between all the characters - not just one specific pairing.

Having rewatched the show several times now, what bothers me is the perception that there's somehow UST between Ziva and Tony. Honestly, I can't see it between them in any greater degree than between the other characters. They all have a certain amount of chemistry with each other but the Tony/Ziva stuff is actually one of the relationships with the least chemistry - along with Tim/Ducky which also doesn't sparkle much *g*.

[tejas.livejournal.com]

See? That's the thing I don't get. There's far more evidence that Tony and Ziva would NEVER be anything beyond teammates... even outright friendship is pushing it than there is evidence that they would. There are people I've worked with for more than a decade that I like well enough, and eagerly go to lunch with them when we're both going. We talk, we joke, we have fun, but it would never occur to me to want to do anything with them outside of work. I certainly wouldn't want to sleep with any of them. Once I retire, I doubt I'll ever give them more than a passing thought... and they'll likely do the same.

Fifteen years down the road, I wouldn't expect to see Tony and Ziva visting each other on their vacations. I *could* see (looking through the gen goggles now) Tony and Gibbs keeping in touch. Even Tony and McGee. (I figure Abby could end up on anyone's doorstep at any given moment. ;-) But Tony and Ziva? If their paths were to cross, I could see them having a drink or a meal and catching up on things, but once that was over, there'd be a fond hug and good bye and that would be that until the next time they ran into each other at a conference or whatever.

It's the old show vs. tell problem. What we've *seen*, and heard, from the characters tells us they have no romantic chemistry. TPTB keep trying to *tell* us, mostly with the OOC mooning from Ziva, that there's Something There, but since it's in direct conflict with what we've *seen*, it doesn't stick and even starts to erode Ziva's character. GGGGRRR!!!!

I'm going to have to start just pasting the link to my UST essay whenever this topic comes up. :-)

[xanthelj.livejournal.com]

Well you know I'm with you on the UST essay. I just wish TPTB would read it.

And I agree with all you've said here - ESP the "show vs tell" problem which is the real issue. No matter how many times they want to tell us there's something there, it just doesn't arise organically from the show so I remain unconvinced. And also kind of pissed off with them for manipulating me, and for making Ziva look like a bit of an idiot.

[tejas.livejournal.com]

No matter how many times they want to tell us there's something there, it just doesn't arise organically from the show so I remain unconvinced.

And this is it, in a nutshell.

Farscape is my poster child for How To Do Ship Right (and I don't mean Moya ;-). John and Aeryn's relationship grew organically over the years and it *worked*. They fought and argued and trusted and distrusted and watched each other's backs and sided against the other and before they knew it their lives were so intertwined it was hard to tell where one stopped and the other started. They were inevitable.

And they weren't born out of duct taped UST. They were born out of the *story* in a way mainstream shows seem to fear as if being true to the story will somehow brand them as Not Really Hollywood or Not Serious About The Business.

Maybe one of these days TPTB will wake up and realize the fans who pay their salaries don't give a rat's ass about The Business, we just want our storytellers to tell us a good tale of an evening around our high tech fires.

[captain-tiv.livejournal.com]

Works for me.

Oh, let me throw in a twist! (I love what ifs *g*) What if Michael shoots Tony? What if the doctors don't know if Tony will be able to come back to the team after his injuries heal, if they do?

[xanthelj.livejournal.com]

Hee! I love this twist. A mortally injured Tony cliffhanger would be GREAT! But only if he's not mortally injured after all and pulls through at the beginning of S7. And if there could be lots of Gibbs angst at his bedside that would make me a happy camper *g*.

[tejas.livejournal.com]

I fear the Gibbs' bedside angst would appear only in fic. :-)

[xanthelj.livejournal.com]

To be honest, that's all for the best. At least we'd do it right...*g*.

[tejas.livejournal.com]

But MH does angst *so* damn well!

[captain-tiv.livejournal.com]

Good fic. ;)

[tejas.livejournal.com]

Damn good fic. :-)

[captain-tiv.livejournal.com]

Let me further the twist....

I read a rumor (no proof, just someone speculating) that we'd get to see Ziva's dad at the end of the 6th season. What if dear old dad isn't happy that Gibbs killed Ari (at least, that's what he's been told) and has found a way to exact revenge? He decides to go after Tony, Gibbs' "son?" Michael's introduction to Ziva, his coming to the States, his posing as an arms dealer -- all of it geared to get Michael close enough to Tony to kill him so Daddy David could hurt Gibbs?

[tejas.livejournal.com]

Daddy David strikes me as far too cold to care that much.

On the other hand, he's also calculating, so who knows? He might be more likely to order Tony's death to keep his daughter from continuing to embarrass herself over him. :-)

[captain-tiv.livejournal.com]

When was the last time the team got to go nose to nose with a really cold, calculating schemer? I'd love to see something like that. :)

[xanthelj.livejournal.com]

I love it! It's a much better plot than the writers will come up with though *g*.

[wadjet-theperv.livejournal.com]

ITA with donutsweeper.

Lalalalalala...

[pruehall.livejournal.com]

Hehe- well you know I agree with you about Tony leaving. I hope that it last a few epiosdes at least, and that McGee learns it's not so easy to be 'senior agent".

As for the Tony "shoots someone" kind of storylines I hope we don't get that. It is so a "been there, done that" kind of storyline. Plus it is a bit soap operay for me. I have faith that what we will get will be a bit more creative than that.

At least I hope so ;-)